🟡 Stephen Dubner has spent 20 years proving that things aren't what they seem — and now he's not so sure that's always true. The co-creator of @Freakonomics and host of one of podcasting's most enduring shows joins @semaforben and @maxwelltani to talk about why he never sold to Spotify, how The New York Times shifted from telling readers things to telling them what to think, and his new self-funded TV experiment that's "like laundering podcast money."