irl with Saeed Badreg, CEO of Wormhole Labs and Sunrise contributor (@shadddowfax) covering everything Sunrise, institutions in crypto, the age of AI, Mayan and much more! key timestamps - 1:09 - the @Sunrise_DeFi thesis 5:04 - current problems launching onchain assets 7:50 - the Sunrise listing process 11:00 - why listing on @solana is important 15:39 - advice for teams thinking about TGEing 18:30 - crypto as a vehicle for diverse financial opps 21:53 - the institutions are here (and playing catchup) 25:17 - comparing past crypto cycles + the convergence 30:17 - the crypto and AI convergence 34:35 - glazing @mayan 36:16 - upcoming Mayan 2.0 launch (?) 36:55 - what is next for Sunrise? 38:05 - any more incubations similar to Sunrise? 38:50 - future of the crypto interoperability space (recorded during the Consensus HK week)