Warren: The Trump administration's national defense strategy: No longer will the department be distracted by interventionism, endless wars, regime change, and nation building. Colby: This is not nation building. Warren: So this is not interventionism? Colby: No. Interventionism is more a responsibility to protect— Warren: Really? And we didn’t do this to try to protect Israel? Colby: That’s one of the goals. Warren: So it is interventionism.