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Matt Turck
Matt Turck
Oct 24, 2025·
Failing to Understand the Exponential, Again? My conversation with @Mononofu - Julian Schrittwieser (@AnthropicAI, AlphaGo Zero, MuZero) - on Move 37, Scaling RL, Nobel Prize for AI, and the AI frontier: 00:00 - Cold open: “We’re not seeing any slowdown.” 00:32 - Intro — Meet Julian 01:09 - The “exponential” from inside frontier labs 04:46 - 2026–2027: agents that work a full day; expert-level breadth 08:58 - Benchmarks vs reality: long-horizon work, GDP-Val, user value 10:26 - Move 37 — what actually happened and why it mattered 13:55 - Novel science: AlphaCode/AlphaTensor → when does AI earn a Nobel? 16:25 - Discontinuity vs smooth progress (and warning signs) 19:08 - Does pre-training + RL get us there? (AGI debates aside) 20:55 - Sutton’s “RL from scratch”? Julian’s take 23:03 - Julian’s path: Google → DeepMind → Anthropic 26:45 - AlphaGo (learn + search) in plain English 30:16 - AlphaGo Zero (no human data) ...