Thanks @lexfridman for another super fun & wide-ranging conversation. We talked about the future of video games, the nature of reality, advancing science with AI, the path to AGI… and quite a bit more as usual! Always a blast, already looking forward to next time! 😀

Imagine if every pattern shaped by nature – like a protein’s fold or cosmic phenomena – is inherently learnable by AI. @DemisHassabis shares with @lexfridman that if AI can learn these natural patterns, we could open doors to new eras of scientific discovery. Listen now. ↓

Here's my conversation with @demishassabis, CEO of Google DeepMind, all about the future of AI & AGI, simulating biology & physics, video games, programming, video generation, world models, Gemini 3, scaling laws, compute, P vs NP, complexity, energy (solar & fusion), and much more. This was a fun & fascinating super-technical conversation. It's here on X in full and is up everywhere else (see comment). Timestamps: 0:00 - Episode highlight 1:21 - Introduction 2:06 - Learnable patterns in nature 5:48 - Computation and P vs NP 14:26 - Veo 3 and understanding reality 18:50 - Video games 30:52 - AlphaEvolve 36:53 - AI research 41:17 - Simulating a biological organism 46:00 - Origin of life 52:15 - Path to AGI 1:03:01 - Scaling laws 1:06:17 - Compute 1:09:04 - Future of energy 1:13:00 - Human nature 1:17:54 - Google and the race to AGI 1:35:53 - Competition and AI talent 1:42:27 - Future of programming 1:48:53 - John von Neumann 1:58:07 - p(doom) 2:02:50 - Humanity 2:05:56 - Consciousness and quantum computation 2:12:06 - David Foster Wallace 2:19:20 - Education and research

I've spent this week in Dubai (first time) and made a lot of new friends, including this goat. Dubai is a beautiful place, unlike any I've ever been to, with super interesting people from all walks of life. What a wild ride this life is. I grateful for all of it ❤️

This was one of the longest, most interesting conversations I've ever had with another human in my life. Lots of great podcasts go deep, but @lexfridman takes you to the bottom of the Mariana trench!

Here's my 6 hour conversation with @dhh, a legendary programmer, creator of Ruby on Rails, author, and race car driver. This was a fun and inspiring conversation on everything from the future of programming & AI to the nature of happiness & productivity to the value of family, getting married and having kids. X limits video length to 6 hours. So this full convo doesn't fit (by a few minutes). So, the first 6 hours are here on X. The full version is up everywhere else (see comment). Timestamps: 0:00 - Episode highlight 1:21 - Introduction 2:32 - Programming - early days 19:57 - JavaScript 30:16 - Google Chrome and DOJ 38:03 - Ruby programming language 45:14 - Beautiful code 1:03:15 - Metaprogramming 1:06:36 - Dynamic typing 1:13:55 - Scaling 1:26:47 - Future of programming 1:44:18 - Future of AI 1:50:13 - Vibe coding 1:58:45 - Rails manifesto: Principles of a great programming language 2:23:11 - Why managers are useless 2:32:32 - Small teams 2:38:39 - Jeff Bezos 2:53:57 - Why meetings are toxic 3:01:43 - Case against retirement 3:09:00 - Hard work 3:14:38 - Why we left the cloud 3:17:48 - AWS 3:27:07 - Owning your own servers 3:33:19 - Elon Musk 3:43:01 - Apple 3:54:48 - Tim Sweeney 4:06:22 - Fatherhood 4:32:04 - Racing 4:59:08 - Cars 5:04:26 - Programming setup 5:19:35 - Programming language for beginners 5:32:53 - Open source 5:41:46 - WordPress drama 5:53:03 - Money and happiness 6:01:56 - Hope

Grok 4 is super strong. Congrats to Elon and xAI team, they cooked 👊

US government needs to release the Epstein list, and be fully transparent about everything related to this case. And don't treat the public like we're idiots. Otherwise trust is completely shattered. It's obvious. Do the right thing.

Life is full of interesting surprises. I stopped by Paris and ran into these two (@durov and @jack) separately, and we had an amazing conversation about life and freedom. The experience definitely felt like part of a simulation. I'm pretty sure the pic is AI generated. I'm grateful for this life, whatever it is, and for all of you 🙏❤️

Eisenhower's warning about the military industrial complex. I think about these words often.