I talked to John Coogan and Jordi Hays about making magic behind the desk everyday on @tbpn. @johncoogan and @jordihays are masters of daily compounding, and we talked about their chemistry, growth, influences, humor, and the "domination of spirit" that they bring to podcasting. I'm grateful to the guys for letting me crash the ultradome and flip the script on them. They do an amazing job of combining high and low: they take the work incredibly seriously and maintain an unseriousness that makes the show light, fun, and addictive. If you're curious why their meteoric rise has been anything but lucky, I think you'll enjoy this one a lot. More so, if you're wondering whether there's still a path to do something fresh in any landscape of homogeneity, John and Jordi offer the playbook. Available on all platforms, including X. This one was a blast. I hope you enjoy!

Also, shout out to the incredible @RealProducerBen who let me come into his studio and ran the entire thing for me. They are lucky to have him!!!