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Mackenzie Burnett
ceo and cofounder @ambrookag
spoke to @jacksondahl for @DialecticPod about ambrook, american industry, aesthetics, and all the things. jackson puts so much care and craft into his work -- so fun to have this conversation with him

Jackson DahlAug 29, 2025
I talked to Mackenzie Burnett (@ciaomack) about building financial tools for the independent businesses of America's heartland.
Mackenzie is the template of a deeply serious, strategic, and tactical entrepreneur whose engine is not purely ambition, but purpose. Hearing her talk about the big and small of her work is infectious.
With @AmbrookAg, Mackenzie is focused on enabling the American Dream and by way of bottom-up resilience. She calls it Grassroots American Dynamism.
She combines a rare combination of knowledge across technology, agriculture, policy, and finance that has shaped Ambrook's ability to deliver great financial software for underserved customers, starting with farmers and ranchers.
Highlights:
- the government's complexity: we treat it like a black box that is either fully incompetent or fully trusted; in fact it is many individuals--mostly non-political appointees--responding to incentives
- pragmatic environmentalism: meet people where they are with outcomes rather than ideology
- language matters: “resilience” travels further than “sustainability”
- "biological factories": why farms are deceptively complex businesses
- "everything goes back to accounting": Wading into complexity is freeing: it enables long-term thinking, better decision-making, and lower anxiety
- "make the intractable tractable": the CEO’s job is to ingest lots of information and turn messy problems into solvable ones
- explore with niche entry points: generalized explanations or histories can be appealing, but specificity can be more meaningful (like understanding Italy by way of citrus)
- physical design systems: why aesthetics and spaces matter
Transcript and all links below.


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i've been thinking about the idea of the 'nostalgic future' of the 1960s-1980s -- star wars, epcot / disney, the TWA hotel. there's something a lot more human and playful than the AI hype of today, i think because the older aesthetic enabled more agency, trust, community
- agency: tactile interfaces (e.g. pull a lever) vs disembodied / abstract
- trust: legible, mechanical systems vs black box models
- community: communal imagination / shared spaces for wonder vs solitary consumption
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